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Where Will Peyton Manning Play In 2012?

It's a telling sign when people are writing more stories about where Peyton Manning will play next year then they are articles about what the Colts can do to get better with him as their starting quarterback in 2012. Regardless of whether or not the Colts retain Jim Caldwell as head coach next year (and if they do, it's going to make this 'New Era' chatter fall on deaf ears), the prospect of Peyton Manning under center next year for the Indianapolis Colts doesn't make any sense. I've written about this, as has my colleague Bomani Jones, but at some point the Colts and their fans need to let go of Peyton and move on.

The question now is, Move on to where?

Peyton Manning is old. Football old. Some would say just plain old-old, but 36-years-of-age in the NFL is pretty geriatric. Thus, any suggestion that Peyton has time to fiddle around with a mediocre team is a waste of breath. Where Peyton goes will depend on three key factors: Location, cap space, and opportunity.

Location is important because Peyton will probably not want to play in the Colts division. In fact, the further away from Indianapolis, and the AFC in general, the better. Peyton's legacy will always be with the Colts, but neither he nor owner Jim Irsay want to do anything to potentially hurt that legacy, and seeing Peyton in a Titans uniform would certainly piss off a lot of loyal fans. Both sides do NOT want to mirror the mistakes made by Brett Favre and the Green Bay Packers in 2008.

Cap space is equally critical. Peyton isn't going to play for the 'vet minimum.' If any team wants Peyton, they will need to fork over roughly $28 million to get him, which is what the Colts will owe him if they keep him after March 9th. No discounts. No cap-friendly deals with incentives. Peyton will only play for top-tier asking price, or he simply won't play. Money equals status in the NFL. If you get paid a lot, you are considered good in the eyes of the players. Peyton is a leader among the players and their union. Don't look for him to slash his asking price for anyone.

Finally, there is opportunity. The Colts are rebuilding, and are probably looking at another 2-14 season next year. If they are lucky, six wins. This team is old, lacking talent, and unsure of its direction. Wherever Peyton goes, the destination team pretty much needs to be a quarterback away from contending. Anything less isn't a consideration.

Factoring in these criteria, I've isolated the four teams most likely to land a presumably healthy No. 18 in 2012. And don't worry Colts fans, none are in the AFC South.

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Washington Redskins

Mike Shanahan has spent the last fourteen years of his career desperately searching for the next John Elway. It was Elway that transformed Shanahan from disgraced in Los Angeles to Super Bowl-winning demigod in Denver. Since the Broncos defeated the Falcons in Super Bowl XXXIII, which was Peyton Manning's rookie year in the league, Shanahan was won only one playoff game as a head coach.

I repeat, one.

In fact, he hasn't even been back to the playoffs since 2005.

Needless to say, the Bronco nipple that Shanahan has been milking from his days in Denver has run dry. In many ways, the last fourteen years have exposed him for being a bit less of a demigod and a bit more like a mediocre coach (which was what people thought of him with the Raiders).

Like Elway in 1997, Manning could revitalize Shanahan's career, which took a hit in 2011 when he threw his support (and reputation) behind quarterbacks Rex Grossman and John Beck. Both threw a combined 18 TDs and 24 INTs. The Redskins had a 5-12 record, and look worse than they did under infamous head coach Jim Zorn.

Location: They are in the NFC and do not play the Colts in the regular season in 2012. Both are big pluses. However, they do play in the NFC East, which is also the division Peyton's brother, Eli Manning, plays in. While it would be a HUGE ratings boom to have Manning v. Manning twice a year, I personally don't see Peyton wanting to go anywhere that would undermine the success of his brother. The only way Mr. Peyton goes to Washington is if Eli gives his blessing. Rank: Fair

Cap space: Washington was at $11 million under the cap in August 2011. They've dumped Albert Haynesworth's bloated contract, and the only key free agent they need to re-sign is safety LaRon Landry. Owner Daniel Snyder is notorious for over-spending on players. So, regardless of the cap ramifications, if the Redskins have a chance to grab a healthy Peyton Manning, Snyder will toss mountains of cash in his direction to get him. Rank: Good

Opportunity: The Redskins are an odd enigma. On on hand, their defense is pretty good with young pass rushers Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan consistently terrorizing quarterbacks. DVOA has the Skins o-line ranked high, and Fred Davis is a pretty good tight end that probably should be re-signed in 2012. But, when your best receiver is Jabbar Gaffney, you have problems. Washington's WRs are putrid. They're worse than the Colts. Tough to sell Manning on winning a ring in the Beltway if he has scrubs to throw the ball to. Rank: Fair

Evaluation: Fair probability to land Manning

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Kansas City Chiefs

K.C. has a quarterback problem. Interestingly, they have a quarterback on their roster (Kyle Orton) that the Denver Broncos dumped mid-season to go whole hog with a mythical centaur under center in 2011. Orton, unlike Tim Tebow, can throw the football. He just doesn't have the skills to impose his will on a defense. Notice how I don't even factor Matt Cassel into the equation. Cassel is a glorified back-up who was WAYYYYYYYYYYYY overpaid by general manager Scott Pioli when both left New England for K.C. in 2009.

Again, like Denver, the Chiefs have a strong defense and a potent running game. Ryan Lilja, Peyton's teammate for seven years in Indianapolis, is on the Chiefs roster. Newly promoted head coach Romeo Crennel was once the defensive coordinator for the Patriots back when they used to frustrate the hell out of Peyton. Both Crennel and Manning respect each other and both love the chess game offenses and defenses play against one another on Sundays.

Also, Peyton has never shied away from praising Scott Pioli. When former-Chargers runningback LaDainian Tomlinson was complaining to the media about the Patriots organization following San Diego's choke job in the 2006 playoffs, Peyton made it a point to speak up for Pioli (then the G.M. in New England) prior to the Colts playing the Pats in the AFC Championship the following week.

Location: In the AFC, but (again, like Denver) far away from Indy. However, they are scheduled to play the Colts in Arrowhead next year. Not good, especially if it is early in the season. Rank: Fair

Cap space: Chiefs have a ton of cap room. $32,984,542 worth of room, as of last August. Rank: Great

Opportunity: The Chiefs aren't as talented as Denver, but their coaching staff and front office is familiar to Peyton, as is Arrowhead Stadium. Peyton has never lost there. Ever. It's a fact I enjoy bringing that little factoid up with Joel Thorman, editor at Arrowhead Pride and SBNation.com's football hub, repeatedly. Should the Chiefs add Peyton, they will need to do more to boost their o-line and the tight end position. In terms of wide outs, the Chiefs have two young, budding stars in Dwayne Bowe and Jonathan Baldwin that might just need a vet like Manning to get the most out of them. Rank: Good

Evaluation: Good probability to land Manning

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Arizona Cardinals

The Cardinals gave away a ton of talent to get Kevin Kolb from the Eagles in 2011. The results were a 2-6 with Kolb under center, and questions about his health involving concussions. There is also the fact that Kolb simply doesn't fit with what head coach Ken Whisenhunt likes to do. Kolb excels on throwing on the run, which was the offense in Philadelphia. Whisenhunt's offense is tailored around pocket throwing, which was why Kurt Warner (who was about as mobile as a beached whale) revitalized his career in Arizona.

Adding Manning would certainly make the Kolb deal look like egg on the face of Whisenhunt, who pushed for the deal, but at this point the Cards have to be desperate. Whisenhunt is likely fighting for his job in 2012, and if the Cards fail to make the post-season again, he's probably fired. At least with Manning, Whisenhunt has a chance.

Location: In the NFC, and far away from Indianapolis. They do not play the Colts in the regular season in 2012. Edgerrin James, onetime teammate and close friend of Peyton's, left the Colts in 2006 to sign with Arizona, and it didn't do anything to hurt his legacy in Indy or his popularity with Colts fans. Rank: Great

Cap space: The Cards had $13 mill in space last August. However, they gave Kolb a $10 million dollar signing bonus as part of his five-year extension. That $13 mill was there BEFORE G.M. Rod Graves re-signed wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald to an eight-year, $120 million dollar deal. The website NFLTradeRumors.com has the Cards at $37 mill under the cap for 2012. If that number is accurate, Arizona is perfectly capable to signing Manning. If it's closer to what they had in August 2011, or less, then chances don't look good. Rank: Fair

Opportunity: The fact that Arizona has Fitzgerald locked up is a big selling point for any pitch play for Manning. Fitzgerald is, arguably, the best WR in football. Peyton set NFL records when he had healthy receivers like Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne in their heyday. Pairing Manning with Fitzgerald in a traditionally weak NFC West division seems criminal. Rank: Great

Evaluation: Good probability to land Manning

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Denver Broncos

Tim Tebow stinks as a quarterback. I don't care that religious fundamentalists like to screech about how he's touched by god, or some such nonsense. I deal in reality, not 'superstitious hocus pocus,' as the great philosopher Indiana Jones once said before he saw a Nazi with glasses get his face melted off by the Angel of Death!

Incidentally, that's the same face I make when stupid people tell me that Tim Tebow is a good quarterback.

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The reality is Tebow can't throw. He can't make the throws that pro quarterbacks need to make in this league to win. Maybe someday he will. Maybe. Right now, it's not there. That simple. I know it. You know it. More importantly, Broncos G.M. John Elway knows it, which is why he's been noncommittal on Tebow's future with the team all season long.

Should Elway bench Tebow for Brady Quinn, or should he trade a bounty of picks to move up in the draft and get Robert Griffin III, there will be a fan revolt in Denver. A bad one. What better way to stem the Tebow Fan Club stupidity then for Elway to rope in Peyton Manning? Is anyone going to question benching Tebow for Manning? No, of course not. If they did, they'd be justifiably ignored, picked on, and then fed to a pack of hungry lions at halftime of a pre-season game.

The situation is perfect in that Elway would be doing for Peyton what Mike Shanahan did for Elway late in his playing career: Build a team that uses the skills of an aging quarterback in compliment to a great running game and defense.

Location: They are in the AFC, but far away from Indy. They don't play the Colts in the regular season next year, which is, again, a big plus. Also, their logo is a horse, which, on some level, will make it less weird for Colts fans to see Peyton playing for someone else. Rank: Good

Cap space: Elway has managed the cap well. Last August, they had $24,302,469 in space. Considering they didn't go nuts in free agency in 2011, that space would give them the ability to sign Peyton and his $28 million dollar price tag to a flexible deal for both sides. Rank: Great

Opportunity: Denver's offensive line is solid. Their wide outs show promise. Their defense was lights out all season long. All they need is a tight end, and the team seems perfectly suited for Peyton. John Fox is a defensive-minded guy, and will allow Peyton and coordinator Mike McKoy to craft and create the offense. McCoy has shown brilliant adaptability in the way he changed Denver's offense mid-season to suit Tebow's limitations. With Peyton, they'll be able to open things up. Rank: Great

Evaluation: Strong probability of landing Manning

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Any finally, the New York Jets. I'm not going to waste your time, or mine, doing an evaluation on Peyton-to-Gang-Green because it won't happen. The Jets are too dysfunctional, too immature to lure Peyton. The moment Bart Scott flipped-off reporters during the Jets media wrap-up the day after their season ended, any serious discussion of Peyton in New York ended.

The Jets are a circus act. Peyton's a field general, not a ring leader. No way he touches that mess.

When it's all said and done, the reality facing fans, and Manning himself, is that if he is healthy enough to play again, the best place to succeed is somewhere other than Indianapolis. As we've said time and again, no 'New Era' begins with a 36-year-old as your starting quarterback. Consider that Manning is only four years younger than his new boss, Colts G.M. Ryan Grigson.

For Peyton, and for all of us, it's time to move on. Part of me hopes he lands in Denver. He'd be appreciated there, and he'd have the best team around him to win a ring. In the end, that's what fans all want to see, right? Peyton win another one. Think of how great a story that would be!

He can do that somewhere else, but not in Indy. Not now.

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49ers.

I have not taken time to figure out the implications in terms of the cap, but it seems to me that the 49ers would be the favorite to win it all next season if they were to add Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne.

move own

like the author of this said, move on,except he has it backwards Peyton aint going anywhere

Missing one big one

Indianapolis

If Peyton is healthy...

He will be a Colt. There is no debate Irsay has said so.

Yeah forgive me if I don’t take anyone from the Colts FO at face value they said that Manning would only miss a few games and we all know how that turned out.

Injuries and recovery are an unknown.

Opinions and preferences as a decision maker are known if shared.

That or the owner goes out of his way to lie to everyone.

You don’t think they lied about Manning’s status this season?

They knew they also knew a lot of people wouldn’t have paid for season tickets if they knew that Manning wasn’t going to be playing this season.

Maybe I’m just a cynic but I have yet to believe anything the people at the front office says its all politics at the end of the day.

Season tickets had to be paid for by March 31, so nobody based the decision to buy or not to buy on anything Irsay or anyone else said about PM's health in August or later.

Hey BBS, not trying to stir the pot or anything but how can you say this about Clark

“Clark is not only a valuable asset to this team, on and off the field, but I think we’d all like to give #44 the opportunity to get fully healthy and retire a Colt.

He’s earned, as much.”

and then stick to the line of it’s time to get rid of 18. Obviously I know the age,money and injury concerns are totally different. But if you would write this about an aging TE who has a history of injuries over the past 2 years why wouldn’t you say the same about one of the Greatest QB’s of all time.

Again I understand if 18’s not healthy there is no way you can pick up the option but come March 8th if he’s good to go how do you not let 18 finish what he started.

Also I have a question. If we do keep 18 and for some reason he becomes injured during the season and has to retire…how would that affect the cap hit and or the remaining years of his contract. Would it be voided and come off the cap?

Agreed

That is quite the double standard. Especially since we’ve seen a noticeable decline in Clark’s play. We have not seen a decline in Manning even though he has been battling neck issues. Who’s to say he won’t come back even better? If Favre can have his best season at 40, why couldn’t Manning have a few left in him?

Also, if they pick up the option, then they are on the hook for all of it. If he retires or is cut, then the entire amount is applied to the cap rather than being spread out over the remaining years. It could be all the next season, or spread out over the next two depending on whether it’s before or after June.

that is for the one year correct? I would find it hard to believe if he plays two years and retires after that the remaing balance of the contract for the final 2 years is still applied to the cap. If thats the case then thats some craaaaaazy shit.

Exactly

Which is why you can’t make keep him unless you are sure he is 100%

It's the remainder of his bonus

The $28 million bonus they are talking about is paid immediately on March 8th, if he is healthy. That money is spread out over the remaining 4 years of his deal along with his original bonus of approximately $20 million that was spread out over all 5 years. That original bonus is why there would be a $16 million cap hit for cutting him before March 8th. Based on the numbers available on his bonuses, there would be $44 million spread out over 4 years. If he is cut, then however much of that is left, counts against the cap. It either hits all in one year, or it is spread over 2 depending on if he is cut before or after June.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/manning_contract_details_emerge/6104926

There’s a decent layout of the contract. The longer he stays, the more cap friendly the deal becomes. It only increases by about $1 million a year while the cap will increase pretty drastically in 2013 thanks to the new CBA.

There would be a 10.4 million cap hit if cut before march 8

Some tricky stuff I don’t understand, but it’s so.

I keep hearing that number

@Sarcasm
I keep seeing this $10.4 million number, as well. I don’t understand why they would get a cap credit, if they don’t actually pay the $28 million bonus. My understanding is that they get the credit for picking up the bonus at the end of the league year. Why would they still get the credit, if they don’t pick up that bonus and cut him? That doesn’t seem to add up. Seems like they would be on the hook for the full $16 million, since they didn’t apply the $28 million bonus.

I don't think Clark will be back

He looked like he quit on the team this year. His head wasn’t in it. It’s not that he’s not good, it’s simply Mannings money (yes we disagree) has to come from somewhere. Also. Wayne has proven that he is tougher to replace than Clark. We already have a guy on the roster that can replace him at a fraction of the cost. We don’t for Wayne or Mathis for that matter.

The articles are from differente writers...

So BBS didn’t write that, but i see your point…

Anyway, I personally don’t see Manning playing in any other team… If he’s healthy enough he’ll be back, and we don’t need to pay the 28 mil. It’s obvious to me that the front office shouldnt exercise the option, a reestructuration of the contract would be the best path…

I agree…I can’t see him playing for another team. If he’s healthy he’s a COLT….and with a restrucutred contract.

Can't restructure

Players can only sign 1 contract per league year…so if the contract is extended it needs to be done before March 8 and the signed extension executes the remainder of the contract. They could possibly restructure the rest of the deal for salary purposes, but the $28 mil bonus is still in effect and I don’t know how it affects the cap for the life of the deal but safe to say it might be spread out over 4 years equally.

Because BBS is a blithering idiot and an open hypocrite who doesn't have a clue.
I wrote the Clark article...

Not BBS. Thanks for reading though.

Re: Ralla32

If Manning signed the deal and then was injured and forced to retire, it would cripple the Colts’ salary cap for about 3 years. I don’t think there is a strong likelihood of it unless a freak injury happened (like it could for any player) but there is a chance nonetheless.

Speculate harder

Brad what is your football experierence? Did you play in high school or college? Or do you just own a tv?

I have two TVs

So I think I’ll be running this blog now hahaha

No way they pay him 28mil without assurance of his health in March

That would cripple the franchise for years. I find it hard to believe that he will suddenly be 100% in 6 weeks.

DON'T SEE

how the Colts can pick up the $28 million option. The risk if he can’t play up to his former level or gets hurt will cripple the teams cap. If Manning can play, a big if, he will be cut and free to sign with another team. My guess is it will be a lot less than $28 million. Probably will be incentive based.

IF the Colts are idiotic enough to trade or cut a healthy Peyton Manning

which they aren’t…but for shits and giggles, let’s say they are…mark my word, this will be the first thing to come out of Peyton’s mouth -

“If you cut or trade me, I am going to kick your ass for the next 4 years.”

Maybe from the brodcast studio

Because we don’t really know if he can play or not

That is why I mentioned "healthy Peyton Manning"

if he is healthy, he can play.

Define healthy...

I wouldn’t pay all that money unless I have doctors confirmation that he is highly likely to play 4 more years without any further neck issues…

If he wants to take half of the money that’s different. Then they can trade the pick stock up on talent and bring in FAs

No doc can make that assurance about any player. The world's a random place.
The neck is healed

The bone fusion achieved firm fixation…the doctors have repeated this over and over. THe issue here is nerve regeneration. If the nerves have sufficiently regenerated, he will be considered healthy. At this point they will need to test his muscle strength and make an informed medical decision about whether he will have enough strength by the start of the season to compete at an acceptable level. The nerves will continue to regenerate over time so he will continue to get stronger and stronger each day, etc.

a point, and a question....

Irsay has said he’ll retire a Colt if he’s healthy. We have to take him at his word for that. Maybe he was lying, but I doubt it.

Next,

If someone is willing to sign Manning for 28 mil, why wouldn’t they be willing to trade for him at the same price? If the Colts release him, yeah, I get that. But I really don’t see why they would release him if there is this much talk about him when he is just rumored to be on the market.

Can't trade

Go to www.coltsauthority.com and read the article about why it is impossible to trade Manning. It’s a good read.

The COLTS can’t sign him and then trade him MM…the cap hit would be a nightmare.They would have waaaaay to much dead money on the cap for a few years after the trade.

please explain

I’m not trying to be dense or a smart ass. I simply thought that when the Colts trade Manning, they trade his contract. Doesn’t his cap number become someone else’s issue?

Bonus Acceleration

Apparently if Peyton is traded his bonus is money is accelerated into this year’s cap, which would cripple the Colts cap by allocating 20+ million for a player that is not even on the team.

would it only be for this year?

If that is the case, it is actually still the wisest business decision. With a rookie QB the Colts are not going to make the playoffs. They are going to be in a position to completely rebuild. Why not bite the bullet this year. Have the cap hell over in 1 year. Trade Freeney (still valuable as well) and restart in 2013 with a great cap situation, another set of high draft picks, as well as picks from Manning and Freeney? You know you aren’t going to win now. Suck for one more year, to have the potential to be great again soon.

Oh I Agree

I was just explaining why the person said it would be cap suicide. If you are willing to commit the cap suicide though, it could potentially set you up for years to come. I can only imagine what the Colts could do with the picks and cap space left over from Freeney and Manning.

IF MANNING

gets cut or retires before the $28 million bonus is picked up then his cap hit to the Colts for 2012 will be over $10 million ( could be as high as $16 million there is conflicting info on this) If he gets cut or traded after the $28 million option is picked up the cap hit will be about $33 million. It’s a huge risk the Colt’s can’t take. Luck will count about $5 million against the cap.
Freeney is in the last year of his contract and cutting him now will result in a $19 million cap hit. The Colts can extend his contract and lower his cap hit over the next few years or let him play out his contract and be a free agent in 2013.

CORRECTION

if Freeney gets cut the Colts will save about $14 million and have about $5 million in dead money. Freeney still has value as pass rushers tend to age well. I’m guessing the extend his contract to lower the cap hit.

i think if they were to trade him his cap hit would be $35 million for this year because the bonus money would be added. Plus the amount of dead cap money would be crazy as well.

THE UNPAID BONUS

accelerates to the Colts 2012 cap if he’s cut, traded or retires.

THE CAP HIT

would be well over $30 million. The most likely scenario, if he’s healthy, is the Colt’s not picking up his option and signing him to a much lower number.

I've thought that as well.

It would only work if Manning was on board early (like last year) for this.

Since when is firing one of the most successful GMs in league history not enough of a new era?

When will it have gone far enough for you BBS? Next, week I expect an article titled, “Jim Irsay, please sell the team.” or “The Franchise Needs to Move to LA”. I don’t think you know when enough is enough.

News flash: Peyton Manning isnt a Greek god

The guy is aging and has three neck surgeries…2004 ain’t coming back guys.

I have no question he can still play (if healthy) but we don’t know if he is or not. You can’t pay top dollar and tie up your cap with someone who you are not sure can play much less play at 100%.

Some of you expect him to play at an MVP level to 40 which isnt realistic. Plus this team is bad and getting worse with bad contracts and aging vets. You expect an aging Manning to carry these schleps to a title?!

Luck will be better sooner than you think. The offense has some legit talent and a yound developing line. Let manning go if healthy and win elswhere he wont get 20 mil with his health concerns. We need the cap space and new talent particularly on D.

Finally quit all this bull about Luck being Jamarcus or Leaf. The guy went to an elite school academically can make all the throws has played in a pro style and put up numbers without elite speed at WR. He is going to be pretty good if not a superstar. Alex Smith and Joe Flacco are still in the playoffs…Brees Rodgers and Stafford are not…you know it’s not against the rules to run and play stout D…

Many of you are Manning fans…I am a Colts fan

Luck vs. Leaf

Leaf completed 55% of his passes his final year in college. Luck completed 71% of his. It’s called accuracy. Whoever compares the 2 is an idiot.

Agree

It’s like since both Luck and Leaf played their college ball on the West Coast, they are suddenly the same player. Although I am still not sure if Luck will be the overall elite talent we all expect, I do think he will be a very good player. The only thing that worries is the deep ball and speed of his passes. I consider Rodgers to be the standard in throwing a football and I don’t see Luck anywhere close in that regard.

Apples to Oranges

You must compare rodgers as a college senior (not as a 5 year pro) to Luck to make a valid comparison.

He had two elite speed receivers

You don’t know them because he rarely used them or they were oft injured from getting smacked from a lofty ball across the middle. Luck should be #1 overall, just not for the Colts. Luck could be as injury prone as Stafford was once he’s in the league. Manning proved he is the 2nd least injury prone player in NFL history. BBS’s comment about 36 being geriatric is a joke. I would say taht’s true for every position except QB. I expect Manning to be in the running for MVP every year until he’s 40 if he recovers from this neck injury.

2nd least prone...

Until this season where he didn’t play…

2004 Manning doesn exist anymore

See: Tom Brady

He is 34-35, had a complete season off due to injury and is playing at his highest level of his career. Favre played at a high level until his last season. I have all the confidence that this year off will do nothing but fuel Manning’s fire more than anything.

A neck and a knee are not the same
I agree

that the geriatric comment is a joke. May apply for other players, but I feel Manning has more than earned the right not to be lumped in the “geriatric 36 year old” category. He hasn’t missed a game before this season, and has had neck problems through his MVP caliber seasons. If Favre’s “vicodin laced toughness” kept him playing at least at his career averages until 40, Mannings “Great Football Mind” can keep him playing at or above his until 40. Key is protection and recievers. Protect Manning, keep him with legitimate targets and he’ll remain elite.

BBS is very direspectful of Manning. I can understand logical banter about why he needs to go and why we need Luck, but BBS’s BS is just flat out disrespectful of the greatest Colt to ever put on the Jersey.

I project

between,

4200 yds 34 td 12 int 65% compct

and

3800 yds 26 td 18 int 60% compct

for the next 4 to 5 seasons from Manning. I dont see it being an amazing act that Luck can perform AT LEAST as good over the next 4 to 5. Could be wrong tho, thats a ceiling slitely above his career averages and slitely below a 10% drop from his career averages.

I can also

see Manning playing much above these #‘s in the right situation (i.e. good OLine and legitimate WR’s)

Agreed

I am both a Manning and a Colts fan. I want to see the Colts win some more SBs, but I realize that it won’t happen for another 3 years minimum.
For the Colts: I think you need to trade Manning and get picks (probably get a first and 2 seconds at the very least, and maybe come away with an extra first from a desperate team). This trade may hurt the cap but the amount of young talent that the Colts could bring around Luck could make this team deadly in a couple of years. So keeping Manning and Luck would be detrimental to the Colts.

For Manning: If you are a Manning fan, I don’t know why you would want him to stay. I hate the constant argument that Brady is better than Manning b/c of his 3 SBs. I want to see Manning go to a contender and win one or two more SBs so he can become undoubtedly the best QB to ever play.

So it seems like, in my opinion, that the best thing for both Manning and Colts fans is to trade Manning. It would help his legacy as a player and improve the Colts for the future.

I also agree with what you say about Luck. He is not going to be a Russell or Leaf, and it would be stupid to not take a shot. Because getting another player than Luck will probably be more likely to become a bust. (also Luck is better than Rodgers was when he came out of college, Rodgers spent those 3 years completely changing his motion and footwork – Luck doesn’t need that.)

You can't trade him

No team pays out 28 million and the Colts can’t take a 40+ million hit after paying out 28 million.

Yep.

Once you pay that money you are locked in for four years…can’t do that unless he is 100%.

Can’t sit Luck for 4 years either which is why BBS keeps saying you won’t see both in a Colts uniform.

Therefore paying him while not knowing that he is going to be 100% or even play again would e the dumbest thing they could do…

...and even if he is determined to be 100%,

how do you really know his career won’t end the first time he’s knocked down? The spine/neck is a very serious area of the body.

It's easy to pencil him in for 4 years and 150 more TDs

When it’s not your body…I do think he will do his best to play again here or elsewhere but we don’t know how much pain or long term damage could be involved…

Can't live scared

His neck is no more fragile than it was when he was 21 years old. Would you say that about his neck as a reason not to draft Manning in the first place? Makes no sense. The issue with Manning is nerve regeneration, not a fragile neck.

Do you know that for a fact?

Im no doctor but I would think having two vertebrae fused is more fragile then otherwise. I understand that the nerve issue is what kept him from throwing but the source was the chronic neck pain and surgery

Let’s avoid semantics please

Bones fused by steel is stronger than bones fused by a cartilage disk...

When bones are fused like that they’re not coming apart. The biggest frustration for PM will probably be a lessened range of motion. it won’t be extremely limited, but it will feel different.

Re: indycolts21

Can’t trade it and still field a team under the cap.

This post is sort of ridiculous

Only one of these teams (KC and WAS) are quasi-realistic destinations for Peyton. There is no way Peyton would ever end up in DEN, ARI or KC. DEN, rightly or wrongly, is going to start the year with Tebow under center and he has all offseason to work on his throwing issues. ARI is too invested in Kolb for next year to take tie up that much more cap space with Manning. Even though KC has cap space, they still have to resign some of their own FAs like Carr and Bowe before they could even consider Manning.

The most realistic team is and has always been the Jets. They are the closest thing to Super Bowl contenders that Manning is going to find and they have the pieces in place to win. They are also an older team with a limited window, so they will do anything they can to get Manning if he is available. I understand that they are a circus of sorts. But they are much more talented then any of the teams you mentioned and have a better chance at competing for a Super Bowl in the next few years. Think about it. Manning and Brady dueling for the division title each year for the rest of their careers.

But, in reality, none of these options are realistic because Peyton will either be a Colt or he will retire. It seems as though part of your “cleaning house” campaign has always included Manning. You were just so focused on Polian that many of us didn’t realize it. Irsay has always said that Manning will be back if healthy and until I see otherwise, I will believe that is the course of action he takes. The next few months will be interesting to say the least.

Well those are viable options probably the Cardinals would be ideal he could have a Kurt Warner resurrection there maybe this time win the SB.

There’s also the Seahawks as well.

I don't know

I just can’t see a team trading a 2nd round pick and a young CB with upside (former 1st round pick) for a QB if they didn’t think that QB (Kolb) was a franchise QB. Not to mention they extended a contract to Kolb immediately after trading for him. I think he will get a mulligan with all of the injuries this year and will be under center next season at least in the first couple of months. After that, though, all bets are off.

This won't happen but just for arguements sake:

If we picked up Manning’s contract and traded him, traded Freeney, cut Brackett and Clark and didn’t bring back any of our FA the following could happen:

1. Manning: We take a 38.4M cap hit and are able to trade Manning on a 4yr/35.6M contract. Even with his age and injury concern that should at least net us a first and second rounder in the 2012 draft.

2. Freeney: We take a 5M cap hit and are able to trade Freeney on a 1yr/14M contract. That should at least net us a second round pick and maybe more.

3. Cutting Clark and Brackett: 12.78M cap hit

4. Not resigning any of our FA: Along with our cap hits and returning players my calculations show we would have a cap number around 104M .

This situation would leave us with about 15M and an extra three top 50 picks to fill a ton of holes while clearing our cap for 2013 and beyond.

Again I can’t see all of this happening but its interesting to think about.

I just found out

Teams can carry over unused 2011 cap space

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Closing-the-books-on-2011.html

Yes it is

It would be amazing to see what the Colts could do with all of those draft picks and cap space the following year. All of this happening is very unlikely, but I def. think some trades are going to be explored for next season.

I am all for trading Freeney if he isn’t willing to restructure significantly. I understand DEs can play well into their 30s, but he is so damn expensive. He doesn’t even play most of the time on running downs, so I think he is way overpaid. I would like to see a young stud DE take his place and use some of his cap savings to help out other parts of the team. His production the past two seasons can easily be found for a much cheaper price on the market or in the draft. Plus, we could potentially get a 2nd and 3rd pick out of it. I think it’s a no-brainer actually.

I would rather franchise Mathis and trade him

He has more trade value. He is younger and cheaper and could play 3-4 OLB.

Freeney will restructure. It is easy, without being paid less in the next 12 months.

The best case scenario for a rebuild:

We pick up his option, eat the 38.4M and trade Manning to KC for their first and second rounders (#11 & #43) and conditional future picks based on games played/playoff appearances and they sign Wayne and Saturday as well. Peyton gets to take some comfort along with him and go for a few more rings before he retires and we get two important pieces to build around.

We eat the 5M and trade Freeney to the Seahawks (#44)for their second round pick and a conditional future picks based on games played. The same goes for Mathis if possible and trade him to the Browns (#36)or similar 4-3 team needing an edge rusher.

We could then get a draft haul like this:

1a. Andrew Luck QB
1b. Dre Kirkpatrick CB
2a. Peter Konz C
2b. Vinny Curry DE
2c. Derek Wolfe DT/DE
3. Brandon Boykin CB/KR

Of course that is just guesses based on need but a similar haul could be had with Luck if we chose to trade all of our valuable pieces.

manning cant be traded
You guys are rediculous

Pleaes read: The Colts can’t pickup Manning’s contract and then trade him and stil field a team…there is too much dead cap room taken up by that contract for it to be possible. It’s impossible. Impossible. I can’t type it enough.

They either have to extend him and play out the contract for the entire 4 years (or whatever is possible) or cut him and let him decide on his own where to play.

I’m not going to waste your time, or mine, doing an evaluation on Peyton-to-Gang-Green because it won’t happen.

:-(

What say you John B

As head of the SB Nation’s Jets blog, do you see any way that Peyton could be a Jet next season? I do. If he is healthy and for some reason is not still with the Colts, I think it almost makes too much sense that he would wind up on the Jets. That’s probably why it won’t happen, though.

I think the Jets would do everything within their power to try and land Peyton if he ever became available. The team really is a quarterback away, and the owner loves acquiring stars and generating headlines (sometimes to his own detriment).

Whether Peyton would listen is another question.

Do you think some Colts fans are giving up to easily on the #18?
This article is pointless and innane

If Peyton is healthy, he will play for the Colts. If he is not healthy, obviously he will not play at all.

I don't think it's quite as cut and dry as that.

Right now, the Colts have a ‘carrot’ dangling in front of them with Andrew Luck, who doesn’t have a previous spinal injury. It’s quite possible that the Colts let Manning go and put their future in Luck’s hands, and another team may take a gamble on Manning and his health. Because that’s exactly what all this boils down to…..a gamble. Nobody knows how much longevity Peyton will have in the future, how he will hold up in the hard-hitting environment of NFL games, etc. (especially considering the delicate area of the body his injury is located in)…..even if he is proclaimed ‘healthy’ come March 8th.

Exactly...

We all know if Manning was coming off an ACL injury or a broken hand or something non career threatening this would be a non issue. But this is a different injury and more serious surgery…

We have no proof that is going to be healthy or not healthy…we know he is better than in the fall but he still missed the season.

Until hearing otherwise from Manning or his doctors it only makes sense to assume he won’t be healthy by the March deadline (hopefully he will be).

The absolutely can’t give him that money and be locked in for 4 years without knowing he is 100%. Not 75% not 85%…there is no sign him and trade him this year or in subsequent years as the cap can’t handle it. Therefore if you keep Manning you can’t draft Luck as he won’t sit for 4 years…

It’s one or the other. If Manning is 100% he will be worth the 28mil and He will be a colt but Luck will get packaged elsewhere. If Manning isn’t 100% they have to cut him an move forward…

How hard is this to understand for these people…

This, but no one is disagreeing...

It’s one or the other. If Manning is 100% he will be worth the 28mil and He will be a colt but Luck will get packaged elsewhere. If Manning isn’t 100% they have to cut him an move forward…

Well, I think this is pretty obvious and most people will agree. What’s stirring shit up is BBS just plain stating that Manning will not play for the Colts and the criteria seemingly has nothing to do with health any more. Even if he’s 1000% healthy, he’s not playing for Indy, which has been BBS’ gloom and doom stance for quite some time.

Because he would be owed $28 million really how can you have him and Andrew Luck that’s $50 million tied to the QB position and you have other players who’s contracts are up as well.

2 QBs and no team isn’t real competitive. They need to make a choice and move on for the sake of the franchise and they should choose Luck.

The cap hit for Manning next year would be around $22-23 mil.

Add $4-5mil for Luck, and it is not completely out of the question, cap-wise, to carry them both. Luck will not be making a great deal more than a top-flight backup with the new CBA rookie payscale.

I don't agree with 80% of BBS' takes

But I read into his analysis as him questioning if Manning will be 100% by March which I also am unsure of…

I can’t see a scenario that he is healthy all of a sudden in 7 weeks. He probably will be rehabilitating all summer. BBS knows that it’s dumb to pass on Luck while not knowing Mannings status. He also knows they won’t play on the same team based on the cap situation…it will be one or the other and since Mannings health is a fat question mark it makes since to assume the Luck era begins…

BBS has been right usually such as the Polian stuff but his writing style can be sophomoric and unprofessional and he bans people who call him out. Posts Calling Saturday a jag off kinda overshadow good points he generally makes…nevertheless he is right about this one…

Exactly

Health = Manning as a Colt
Unhealthy = Retirement and the Colts new head coach

You are MiSTaken

If PM is healthy by March, he will play 4 colts, if healthy by Sept., he will play for someone else. None of you are factoring in the fact that an extra 4-6 months of nerve regeneration may make him ready by Sept, but not by March 8th!!!

At least someone here has sense. As if the Colts are the only team out there there are other teams who are more SB ready than we are that could use Peyton if we can’t.

1 opinion is not absolute

BBS reminds me of Jamie Dukes. When Dukes is on NFL Total Access and someone disagrees with him, he can’t handle it. Instead of explaining his viewpoint in a logical way, he either raises his voice and talks over the person or he makes catty remarks insulting them.

It’s alright to have an opinion about the Colts and the best way to run the franchise. Just don’t assume your ideas are already a forgone conclusion, and if anyone says otherwise they’re a clueless idiot.

jamie dukes is the worst…and a horses ass.

and BBS=Jamie Dukes

you do the math…

agree 1000000%

Honestly, it’s anything but a frgone conclusion that Manning’s gone. I believe that if he’s healthy, he’ll be a Colt. He’s done everything for the franchise, and Irsay knows it. He’ll be loyal and let Peyton retrire a Colt.

The writer is way off base on this.If Manning is healthy,he is going nowhere!We have so many holes on this team that drafting Luck will not help much.Trade the pick for 3-4 picks.Hopefully we draft wisely and fill several holes vs one.We can draft a QB in another round perhaps the kid from Boise State or Houston.Not to mention if the Colts suck next year,Barkley will be available.Never be afraid to invest an unknown future in a known Manning!

Arizona Cardinals!!

Good Defense and Larry Fitzjerald

Where will Peyton Manning play in 2012?

Could have saved you a couple thousand words: Indianapolis.

Here here

Raises glass…

Good to see I’m not alone in this sentiment

I don't think some of you get it...

Once they pay the money they are locked in. The cap ramifications of trading him after the bonus are astronomical and would basically mean they cut every other player of value…

So if they keep him it’s for 4 years. Im sure Luck’s family and business team knows this. No way Luck sits for 4 years…So if they pay Manning the money expect Luck to pull an Elway and force a trade!

They won’t play together it’s going to be one or the other…if Manning is fully healthy I expect him to be the one. But if he is 75% they have no choice but to cut him…

When I hear terms like family decision I personally take that to mean that maybe Manning gets cut but still is offered a two year incentive laiden deal enabling them to draft Luck and save the cap space. But If Manning can get a 4yr 80mil deal on a better team that has a legit SB shot I don’t see how he passes on that…

Also keep in mind

that Luck can be drafted and traded after next season if Manning shows that he is playing at an elite level still. Luck’s contract will be very easy to trade and his trade value will still be at its highest level since he will be young and no one will know if he is great or a bust yet.

Why would they do that?!

You would trade the pick for a ransom and stock up with as much talent as possible…

Plus no way Luck comes here if he is at risk to sit four years

Does anyone know what happens

if Manning is cut, Colts take 10.4 million hit, and because Manning is crazy loyal, he re-sign with Colts

Is that possible? I say he shouldn’t, but he is crazy about remaining a Colt.

I think Manning has a say in this

He wants to remain a Colt…If he’s 100%, the than they’re going to take Matt Kalil with the pick. Otherwise, they are going to cut him and take Luck.

They’re taking Luck regardless anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

Luck and Manning won’t be on the same team next year anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. It’s either Luck or Manning.

I don’t think they will be which is why I think Luck stays and Manning goes.

I remember those almost exact words coming from BBS!

I’m pretty sure he retreated pretty fast less than a week later too

You’re either rebuilding and going with Luck or looking to win now and going with Manning and not taking Luck. It makes literally no sense to have both.

Yeah because taht didn't work out for:

The Packers with Rodgers and Favre or the 49ers with Montana and Young. Teams are pretty much givng up on ever winning another SB if they keep the old franchise QB and draft a new one. Call the Favre divorce what you will, the Packers returned to greatness fairly shortly afterwards.

Yes but those guys weren’t # 1 draft picks and Montana/Favre weren’t owed $28 million coming off major neck surgery either.

Favre and Montana were both older though...

Maybe they weren’t 1st overall, but they were the teams 1st round draft picks…

I was referring to Luck

Young and Rodgers weren’t #1 picks

If Manning is playing you trade the pick and get probably 4 or 5 more picks for the 2012 and 2013 drafts

What makes you think he’s going to be healthy? Its $28 million against the cap as great as Manning has been the key words here are “has been” we’re talking about now and the future. The future is Luck besides if Manning gets hurt right away we’re screwed and it will be like this season.

I’m usually all for winning right now but it shouldn’t have come to this. The team has too many holes to even be competitive for an SB title.

And if Luck gets hurt?

If Luck is hurt and Manning was already cut the Colts are even worse off than if it is the other way around….too much speculation.

since when is the cap hit 28 mil?

for keeping Manning? isnt it 16 mil

His bonus $$$ sorry

Regardless way too expensive for his age.

If Manning were so concerned with money/status

He wouldn’t have given the Colts this amazing option to get out of the contract after 1 year. He and the Colts knew he was dealing with a serious injury when he signed his contract but neither wanted to part ways.

I truly believe Manning would be willing to restructure his deal again to make something work out and allow the team to build a better team around him. However, I also believe he would only do this if the Colts look to build around him and not draft Luck as well. I truly believe the two cannot coexist and they shouldn’t. This team is not good right now, however if they were to cash in on more picks they could be.

If they go the other way I’m fine with that too. I don’t see any way Manning commands the kind of money Brad thinks he will. It doesn’t matter how good you were a year ago, when you haven’t played for a year you just are not worth the same amount of money, simple as that.

I also think

That conversation will take place and Manning will tell Irsay he will take less money and assure him he can play 4-5 years based in his health of course…

Manning becomes a FA and Indy resigns him to a smaller cap friendly contract they package the Luck pick to get an influx of talent…and sign a viable backup

If and only if all of this happens I can see him staying

really

You say the Colts are rebuilding…not for sure…do you really think if the Colts signed some of their own free agents Mathis…Wayne….maybe they could lose Brackett or Diem…maybe saturday come sback… ….and Maning was back healthy that they would go 2-14 next year? There are to many unknown factors to make decisons yet…..

As many have said...

If Manning is healthy, he’s a Colt next year. Who knows about the years after that, but next year, he’s a Colt. If he’s not healthy, he’s going to retire. It really is that simple. My wager is still open to BBS…

If Manning plays in the NFL next year, he’ll be on the Colts opening roster. If I’m wrong, I won’t post for a year. If I’m right, BBS won’t post for a year.

Ignorant post by a good fan...

Please do 5 mins of research. Once they sign him they can’t trade him as it would be a cap disaster! If they sign him they expect him to play four years…which means no Luck as he won’t sit for four years

could be splitting hairs here

but the post says nothing at all about trading

maybe he meant Manning could get hurt the year after or who knows what else could happen maybe be he did mean trading but there are other ways to interpret that and its a little hasty to call him ignorant over an assumption

Who said anything about trading?

If he’s healthy and playing at a top 5 QB level, he’s not going anywhere until his health says otherwise. The Colts aren’t going to trade Manning – ever. He’s either going to play as a Colt, retire as a Colt or get cut.

Luck is a very expensive insurance policy for next year if Manning is healthy enough to play. At least, that’s how I look at it. If it turns out that Manning is healthy and appears to be able to play for 4 more years, Luck will be traded.

If they keep Manning

Expect Luck to force his way out

I just don't see that...

I very well could be wrong, but if Manning is cleared for play, I still think the Colts take Luck.

There’s a ton of unknowns that will remain unknown until early March, though.

For a season that has been, without a doubt,

the worst season I can remember, the offseason should be one of the most entertaining ever. It will be an especially sweet offseason if the Giants and Pats meet in the superbowl, and Brady loses again.

I have no idea what happened there.

I hite post,….and it posted my headline twice. Anyway, For a season that has been the worst I can ever remember, the offseason looks especially entertaining. Let’s hope Eli beats Brady in the super bowl.

Let's hope Ravens knock Brady out like a few yrs ago

so I don’t have to listen to my Patriot friends down here for 2 extra weeks, who hate and disrespect the Colts and Peyton,before hearing from some on this blog I never met any mature Patriot fans

I personally think that given the chance Manning will just stay in Indy

But otherwise, I think Arizona would be a good spot for him.

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